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Post by spud on Jul 14, 2019 12:28:34 GMT -8
Lol. Yeah you gotta shift them with “ authority”. Not for the limp wristed. I have a “kit” richmond. That means it needs more parts than a new one. Richmond parts aint cheap. I should just buy a good used one. The mcleod musclecar five is been getting a little cheaper, jury is still out on it. I like it but am invested firmly in richmond . I have a long shifter. Its a well engineered unit but not as slick as a hurst unit. Got a lot of squareness and h pattern in it.
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Post by 69Rebel on Jul 14, 2019 12:33:41 GMT -8
Didja see the link I posted, spud?
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Post by spud on Jul 14, 2019 17:46:10 GMT -8
Yeah thats a richmond. Not sure exactly what version, it looks like it has a ford type tailshaft, and the typical fine spline input, which can either have a ford or shevy sized pilot. I prefer the large ford pilot. That looks kinda like a ford richmond to me. Not a bunch of difference really. The gm richmond has a shorter tailshaft housing. Its not a big deal really. The clutch retainer that fits the hole in the bellhousing is different . But you can swap them out to fit either a chevy or for sized bellhousing hole. Jeep and amc used different amc made bellhousings that had ford sized center holes and gm sized center holes. I have versions of both. I have a amc bell that fits a ford trans that came in my 77 hornet with the pos sr4 trans that came in it. I also have an amc factory bell that came out of a jeep with the gm sized center hole that would fit a gm richmond. Either one is fitable i think even a chrusler richmond may be fitable to an amc bell. I havent needed to research it. Price aint bad. Looks pretty clean , just be aware any manual trans can be busted. Try to find one from a street rodder. Slicks are not good on a manual box
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Post by 69Rebel on Jul 14, 2019 18:29:16 GMT -8
Ad sez it came out of seller's Nomad, so I was thinkin' Chevy. I have a couple of AMC bells, both fit T-5, and who knows what else. Toploader maybe. Got a couple of crappy stock flywheels (360) too.
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Post by sc397 on Jul 15, 2019 3:40:00 GMT -8
That is the cool thing about the Jeep influence. They used whatever transmission they felt like and had a bell housing designed to fit. I didn't realize that the SR4 bell and the Jeep bell had a different size trans pilot hole though. I will have to go measure them. I will post up better pictures one of these days. These are all the 6 1/2" bell. The one on top is from a 3 speed stick to a V8. I haven't found anything else that would bolt up to it. Not counting the SR4 bell, there are at least 2 other short Jeep bells. The AX15 bell is a different one than any of these. IMG_1345 by Rick Jones, on Flickr Totally left field here... This is a trans adapter to adapt the Willys T90 transmission to a ford bell. Pisses me off that the adapter companies all list adapting the T90 to anything but a AMC V8. So of course, I want to put a AMC V8 in my Willys Pickup. IMG_1347 by Rick Jones, on Flickr Gee, if they make a adapter that goes to a ford and chevy bell maybe I can find a AMC bell with the same pattern. Bingo! IMG_1348 by Rick Jones, on Flickr
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Post by spud on Jul 15, 2019 4:45:28 GMT -8
You can put almost anything behind an amc engine. Another thing about a richmond is it has multiple mounting holes, and you can slot existing holes and even add a hole or two. Change clutch pilots, input shafts, whatever it takes. I have a extra fox body mustang t-5 input i bought and didnt use. The amc richmond input is long gone, but was always a white elephant in my mind. A deep bell is a waste of space. 6.5 inches is much more universal.
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Post by sc397 on Jul 15, 2019 4:57:11 GMT -8
I will try to find the article that I wrote when I put the Nash in my AMX. Mine was a ford version. I used a SR4 bell and I had to have a pilot bushing machined up and had to rework the trans cross member. I did have to move the hole in the tunnel back a little. I was even able to use the original drive shaft.
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Post by 69Rebel on Jul 15, 2019 7:29:27 GMT -8
What's the story on that Quick Time bell in the pics, Rick?
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Post by javtwotone on Jul 15, 2019 7:31:42 GMT -8
How'd you end up with a Quick Time bell?
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Post by sc397 on Jul 15, 2019 7:38:12 GMT -8
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Post by spud on Jul 15, 2019 8:33:16 GMT -8
I have used different stuff for pilot bushings. You can use a factory bushing from a sr4 application. Just dont put it in too deep... the ford pilot is really a bit short for that... apparantly the st4’s they sold to amc have a little bit longer pilot.I use a 390 ford truck bushing with just a tad machined off the OD to fit the first big step in the crank flange. Just right for a ford pilot. Advance adapters sell different ones to fit just about any trans and a torqueflite flanged amc crank. The earl flat flange crank your kinda stuck with a sr4 pilot. I have a lakewood amc engine to gm trans bell, its machined for a gm fork pivot. Which is cool cuz you can use a easy to find gm fork, and release bearing. amc bells all use a ball bearing pivot. So your kinda stuck using a amc fork. Which sucks imo.. limits release bearing choices... i have considered grinding the ball perch off and machining for a gm pivot. Havent tried it. The hole for the pivot is countersunk and looks a little tricky...A gm bearing is ok for a gm trans. A sr4 bearing will work on a ford trans. You could weld in a ford pivot for a ford fork. If all else fails you could use a hydraulic release bearing. It takes out some hassle but adds the hassle of engineering a hydraulic pedal. Once again lots of options. If i was starting from zero, i would go gm. All the gm richmonds are cheaper, cluch and linkage is cheap and easy and plentifull with many options.
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Post by sc397 on Jul 22, 2019 10:46:05 GMT -8
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Post by sc397 on Apr 15, 2023 11:04:29 GMT -8
I should have put this over here. NEJoe restored the shifter for the Pure Stock SC360 for me. Nice! IMG_6879 by Rick Jones, on Flickr PHAT69AMX's question : Aren't one piece Levers and adjustable Rods better? Rather than adjustable Levers and one piece Rods? Spud's answer: Hell no. The adjstable levers were superior. Solid rods didnt have the looseness that threaded rods had. They were actually easier and quicker to adjust and once done stayed adjusted forever. The amc competition plus setup was pretty good, the things that would fail were the inferior cast aluminum mount adapter, which kinda sucked, and the slip in shifter handle was convenient, but sloppy. I eliminated that by using a later bolt together component in the shifter assembly and drilled my handle to fit it, which was a great improvement and eliminated the loose handle phenomenon. I also made a shifter mount adapter from 1/2” steel plate to fix the cast aluminum adapter, which was old and worn out. I have a pretty interesting collection of hurst components, indy competition plus, supershifter, vertigates, even a richmond five speed shifter. I even have a late bolt on amc specific competition plus handle i ordered from hurst, that the bend leaned towards the passenger. ( they made a mistake when they manufactured it) I’m pretty much in love with hurst stuff. I customized the amc specific setup with parts from a supershifter 3 that had adjustable shift stops , a reverse lockout t handle and a bolt in handle. I loved the round rod slip in handles. They were finely made and had great chroming. The later flat handles were not elegant like the early round ones.
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Post by 71sc360 on Jun 19, 2023 2:27:56 GMT -8
Rick, I'll have an NOS, slip in, round handle shifter, correct for an SC/360 (with course threads and correct #) at the show in Knoxville.
Plus a lot of other very nice NOS and used SC/360 parts from my private stash. I did some serious sorting to sell off my extra (horded) parts....
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